Re: Unable to attend Jan 9th meeting
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On Jan 8, 2020, at 21:50, Nick Crossley <nick_crossley@...> wrote:
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Unable to attend Jan 9th meeting
Nick Crossley <nick_crossley@...>
Sorry, but I am unable
to attend the OSLC meeting on Jan 9th. As far as I am aware currently,
I will be available for OSLC meetings starting Jan 16th.
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
I feel this is out
of scope at this point. We need to focus on getting the documents to OASIS
Standard and addressing the blocker items that are preventing that. Once
that is done we can look at revisions to cover additional features and
presentations. Of course these diagrams could be produced and published
on open-services.net - they don't need to be in the specifications.
-- Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member ELM Quality Manager 919-525-6575 From: "David Honey1" <DavidHoney@...> To: oslc-op@..., jad@... Date: 01/07/2020 06:07 AM Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [oslc-op] Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships? Sent by: oslc-op@... I think there are several challenges in doing this. For a graphical ER model to be normative, it would have to be a graphical representation of TriG so it could properly distinguish reference types - for example, inline vs rerefence vs either. The RDF of an OSLC resource may contain vocabularies from multiple OSLC specifications. For example, a resource might have multiple RDF types, each of which has an associated resource shape in a specification. Linked Data necessarily is focussed around the idea of links between artifacts from different application domains. For example, a test case validates a requirement. Adequately representing this in a graphical form means that such a graphical model has to span multiple OSLC specifications. This means that such a graphical model cannot live in any single specification. Constraining a graphical model to only describe a single specification would significantly reduce the utility of having such a model. Orthogonal to resources in domain applications like requirements management or quality management, resources might be versioned or unversioned. A model might have to represent that as well. With all the above, trying to produce an accurate graphical model is likely to result in a complex ER diagram. A concern here is whether that visual complexity reduces the utility of it to the point where the resource shape based information in the specification is easier to understand and consume. One way of addressing this is to have one or more graphical models that spans multiple specifications but that are not normative and not formally part of any specification. It would be part of some separate non-normative guidance document. Depending on the domain(s) of interest, there might be multiple ER diagrams each representing particular use cases, and each ER diagram might be a simplification of the potential richness of data focussing on specific use case(s)..I think this is closer to what the original poster was suggesting. Of course, the danger here is that because such diagrams are not part of any specification and span multiple domains, keeping consistency with changes to specifications might be a challenge, and in all cases, there should be a caveat that the specifications are the authoritative reference are take precedence over the non-normative ER diagrams. Best regards, David From: "Jad El-Khoury" <jad@...> To: "OASIS OSLC Open Project (oslc-op@...)" <oslc-op@...> Date: 07/01/2020 08:39 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [oslc-op] Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships? Sent by: oslc-op@... Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
Jad El-Khoury
Hi
Agree. They are likely after https://oslc-op.github.io/oslc-specs/specs/core/discovery.html#discoveryApproaches, but also for the domain specifications as well.
And similar to the Core model, it does not have to be normative. But it will help a lot to include a model/picture in the specs. QM 2.0 also included a picture (https://archive.open-services.net/bin/view/Main/QmSpecificationV2.html#QM_Resource_Definitions) But I think we can do better than a box/arrow annotation.
I don’t think a standard ER model will capture an RDF-based model. So, we’ll have to go for something more domain specific. There is an OMG UML profile for ontologies, which I know for example is implemented in SPARX EA (https://sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/11/domain_based_models/mdg_technology_for_odm.html) But I found this profile quite cumbersome to use. Plus, it certainly does not match the OSLC Shapes model.
We can deal with the modelling of different domains in the same way one model Packages of Classes in UML. In most UML tools I know of, you can model Classes within Packages. You can then represente a Class and/or Package in as many diagrams as you need. We can adopt a similar approach. Define a Resource within the domain it belongs to. One can then reference it from other domains.
But again, if we don’t aim for an exact & normative model, we can help a lot the understanding of the domains if we provide a good-enough graphical representation.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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I think there are several challenges in doing this.
Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
There is one in core
discovery
-- Jim Amsden, Senior Technical Staff Member ELM Quality Manager 919-525-6575 From: "Jad El-Khoury" <jad@...> To: "OASIS OSLC Open Project (oslc-op@...)" <oslc-op@...> Date: 01/07/2020 03:39 AM Subject: [EXTERNAL] [oslc-op] Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships? Sent by: oslc-op@... Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
David Honey1 <DavidHoney@...>
I assume the submitter
wanted ER diagram(s) spanning artifacts such as requirements, test cases,
change requests and so on.
Figure 1 in https://oslc-op.github.io/oslc-specs/specs/core/discovery.html#discoveryApproaches only covers discovery. From: "Andrii Berezovskyi" <andriib@...> To: "oslc-op@..." <oslc-op@...>, Jad El-Khoury <jad@...> Date: 07/01/2020 11:06 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [oslc-op] Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships? Sent by: oslc-op@... Hi, What’s wrong with Figure 1 in https://oslc-op.github.io/oslc-specs/specs/core/discovery.html#discoveryApproaches? -- /Andrew (from phone) On 7 Jan 2020, at 09:39, Jad El-Khoury <jad@...> wrote: Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
David Honey1 <DavidHoney@...>
I think there are
several challenges in doing this.
For a graphical ER model to be normative, it would have to be a graphical representation of TriG so it could properly distinguish reference types - for example, inline vs rerefence vs either. The RDF of an OSLC resource may contain vocabularies from multiple OSLC specifications. For example, a resource might have multiple RDF types, each of which has an associated resource shape in a specification. Linked Data necessarily is focussed around the idea of links between artifacts from different application domains. For example, a test case validates a requirement. Adequately representing this in a graphical form means that such a graphical model has to span multiple OSLC specifications. This means that such a graphical model cannot live in any single specification. Constraining a graphical model to only describe a single specification would significantly reduce the utility of having such a model. Orthogonal to resources in domain applications like requirements management or quality management, resources might be versioned or unversioned. A model might have to represent that as well. With all the above, trying to produce an accurate graphical model is likely to result in a complex ER diagram. A concern here is whether that visual complexity reduces the utility of it to the point where the resource shape based information in the specification is easier to understand and consume. One way of addressing this is to have one or more graphical models that spans multiple specifications but that are not normative and not formally part of any specification. It would be part of some separate non-normative guidance document. Depending on the domain(s) of interest, there might be multiple ER diagrams each representing particular use cases, and each ER diagram might be a simplification of the potential richness of data focussing on specific use case(s)..I think this is closer to what the original poster was suggesting. Of course, the danger here is that because such diagrams are not part of any specification and span multiple domains, keeping consistency with changes to specifications might be a challenge, and in all cases, there should be a caveat that the specifications are the authoritative reference are take precedence over the non-normative ER diagrams. Best regards, David From: "Jad El-Khoury" <jad@...> To: "OASIS OSLC Open Project (oslc-op@...)" <oslc-op@...> Date: 07/01/2020 08:39 Subject: [EXTERNAL] [oslc-op] Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships? Sent by: oslc-op@... Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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Re: Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
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What’s wrong with Figure 1 in https://oslc-op.github.io/oslc-specs/specs/core/discovery.html#discoveryApproaches? --
/Andrew
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Is there a Simple OSLC Metamodel Showing Entities and Relationships?
Jad El-Khoury
Hi
An opinion about introducing a graphical model of OSLC entities into the specs. I think it’s worth considering.
regards ______________________________ Jad El-khoury, PhD KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Industrial Engineering and Management, Mechatronics Division Brinellvägen 83, SE-100 44 Stockholm, Sweden Phone: +46(0)8 790 6877 Mobile: +46(0)70 773 93 45
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 01/02/2020
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 12/26/2019
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Discussion of issue 200, RDF representations
David Honey1 <DavidHoney@...>
In today's OSLC-OP
meeting, we discussed the benefit of adding non-normative guidance about
clients requesting RDF representations of OSLC resources.
This is described in https://github.com/oslc-op/oslc-specs/issues/200. If you have any comments on the specific proposal, please add them to the issue so we can discuss them in the new year. Merry Christmas and Happy New year David Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU |
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 12/19/2019
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 12/12/2019
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 12/05/2019
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Regrets
Hello,
I am on a whole-day workshop today till 5pm CET, won’t be able to join.
Jim, I think you saw my exchange on QM with OASIS folks. I welcome feedback and suggestions.
Not much progress on CfgM.
I am working on the Reference Implementation, currently we have it containerised, connected to Fuseki and Redis and running in a Kubernetes cluster. OAuth server has been added to the RM server.
--
/Andrew
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 11/28/2019
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Re: oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 11/21/2019
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I told Jim that I doubt anyone except me will peruse those guidelines, prove me wrong 😉
Cheers, Andrew
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Minutes were not recorded, it was only me and Jim. Jim asked me to write down an even more complete set of tasks on the wiki. Please see https://github.com/oslc-op/oslc-specs/wiki/Publication-guidelines
Cheers, Andrew
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Re: oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 11/21/2019
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Minutes were not recorded, it was only me and Jim. Jim asked me to write down an even more complete set of tasks on the wiki. Please see https://github.com/oslc-op/oslc-specs/wiki/Publication-guidelines
Cheers, Andrew
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting When: Where: Organizer: Description:
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oslc-op Weekly Contributors Meeting - Thu, 11/21/2019
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